Belief systems

I have personally found the belief system of god to be the biggest obstacle to intimacy with another person. When talking with someone about my life as a physically immortal person I can usually address most doubts they may have about living forever, especially when they understand that it is not more of the same life that we are going for, that we are not looking to merely extend a life of suffering. Most people can apppreciate that we are going for a completely different quality of living and can decide whether or not they care enough to make the necessary changes to be alive without limitations. However, when it comes to god, I have found that many people get quite irrational and often very angry and defended. God is a deep program usually imposed on individuals from birth and reinforced throughout their lives. It starts with some sort of blessing to bring the infant under god's protection. Between an onslaught of vaccinations and god, most parents' fear is temporarily soothed and the baby has been totally programmed that it is in a fight for its life here on this planet from the very first day. There are many religions in the world, but you can be sure that whichever one you were born into that is the only true god and everyone else's is at best inferior and at worst probably dangerous and must be defended against. Hence the many wars that have been fought and countless numbers of people that have died in the name of so-called religious freedom.

The hardest thing to get around with god is the fear. People may even feel what I am saying, but superstition and the fear of being wrong run deep and with the programming comes retribution and punishment for wrong-doing against god. It is unbelievable to me that any god would have a problem with its child, its creation, wanting to bond with other people and live without death. What could be the harm in aspiring to be a healthier, happier human being? What could be the harm in holding flesh sacred without prejudice, appreciating the precious individuality of each unique person as a gift, knowing that what death takes away can never ever be replaced.

To me, all belief systems are a form of control and I experience coldness whenever someone holds one above me. I do not have physical immortality as a god because it is who I am, not my belief system. I have experienced that deep in my core. No-one taught it to me, no-one raised me to be physically immortal, but when I heard the sound that we do not have to die I felt it to be the truth, a higher life for me to live. Physically immortal people cause no harm to anyone. They seek togetherness, not division. When people have a god I have to be real and recognize that they cannot go all the way with me, a mere human being. They will never give me the credence to touch them and make a difference in their lives. I know in the past when I called out to a god I did not receive a reply or feel any comfort. I am so grateful today that I have found people that are really there for me, in good times and bad, with real answers, real hugs, real intimacy. No god ever did that for me. For me now that is the higher power, you and I together forever.

The Trap of Tradition

On my way to NYC, I've stopped for a family visit in DC. It has been a real adventure. My niece had her Bar Mitzvah, which entailed me attending a synagogue service for the first time in 15 years or so. The whole thing was like one long pep rally for God. Every sentence seemed to mention how great and powerful God was over and over as to self-hypnotize the reader. It was absurd and almost comical. God, god, god! And not a word about the good people who were in that room. I thought, if such an entity actually existed, it must be one insecure son of bitch to need all that propping up.

It struck me how tradition ties people to the past in such a constricting way. Being raised Jewish, I could see how absorbed people get by stories, rituals and traditions of the past. Trying to connect back to some moment of revelation that nobody can really remember. I saw how religious texts preoccupy the mind and distract people from really feeling their bodies. At one point, I had tears well up in my eyes because I felt such gratitude for having escaped that trap. It feels so wonderful to be free of tradition and religion, to be experiencing revelation now, the revelation of my full, physical aliveness.

Don't miss the opportunity to Get Real about Your Immortality

Bernie and Jim are in New York!!! I am very excited about it! Because more people will have the opportunity to see them, hear from them, and experience their unlimited passion for people who want to stay here alive, and forever. I will be supporting our expansion from Scottsdale calling people who are interested in meeting them in the New York event on April 4th and 5th. What a great experience, don’t miss this lifetime opportunity; I can assure you your life will change for the BEST!! You also will have the chance to meet other immortals from Scottsdale, wonderful, beautiful people!!

I had the fortune to meet Bernie, Jim, and Chuck in one of their trips to Caracas in 1991, so far it has been the greatest experience of my life, five years later I moved to beautiful Scottsdale, Arizona which allowed me to participate actively in our community of physical immortal people. I am so happy I am part of it, and I want more people who want to live and share this unlimited life with all of us. Come and join us!!!!

Take it all in

Reading these posts are definately bringing back memories of the first time I heard about Physical Immortality. A friend showed me one of their DVD's and I was intrigued. I wasn't really consciously looking, qwesting or searching for anything at that time. In fact I was the opposite. I was self destructive, jaded and was basically ready for the world to end. I didn't give a damn about me at all, but I was supportive to everyone else in the world. But no matter how much I tried too make the world stop, there was something inside me that still wanted to live. I just didn't know how to do that.

I was sparked by the dvd... by just hearing their voices and what they had to say. Something very deep in my core was sparked by their words and I was on my first phone hookup after that. Since I was in California, it took me a couple of months before I went to an event. Being on the phone was good, but nothing and I mean NOTHING compares to them live and in person. In that one weekend, they challenged everything I knew and thought I knew about life and myself. Every emotion imaginable came up for me. But by the end of that life altering weekend.... I knew this was home and it made it real hard to get back on that plane.

Now I live here in Scottsdale, AZ... I'm home. I don't miss being on the phone listening anymore. Being here... living the life is the greatest gift anyone could have given me. So that is why I'm immersing myself today reading about technology that will enhance the experience for all the new people out there and the ones who are already with us, but far away. I look forward for the day that I can travel with them and provide the live feeds from wherever they go.

You don't have to die

Like Lorna and Ana, I met Bernie, Jim and Chuck on there travels to find people like us. I will never forget the first time I met them in London, England, it was a dream come true for me. I was heavily into spiritual immortality back then but I had been hearing and reading about the idea of "taking your body with you to other dimensions". When I heard the sound of physical immortality I knew it was me. I went through some challenges integrating back into my body, being a lone identity and hiding out in the family for a couple of years. But once the physical immortality is touched at the cellular level in your body it never really lets go of you. Moving to Scottsdale was the best decision I could have made for my life. With genuine encouragement, I have dropped my defences and step continuously into a new, unlimited me - healthier everyday. If you have a cry in your body that you "just want to live - no matter what" and a hunger to be with people who are real, then physical immortality is for you. I can't be in NY, Philly or DC this trip as I am currently in school but I encourage you to see Bernie and Jim at the expo or at the events. You will not regret it. Hey whats the worst it can do - confirm that you want to die? For those of you we get it "You Don't Have To Die" - then come visit us in Scottsdale. We need more of our kind - a new species - physically immortal humans.

Melanie

I am physically Immortal

Reading Lorna and Joe just makes me so excited, it is my sound that I am reading. Here we are going to NYC, we have been there before, many people have been touched by us. What a great opportunity to finally find yourself, to finally end the struggle of who you are. And then, a whole world opens up; a new dimension which has no death in it. I am writing to the world, I am writing to all those people in NYC who are ready for our sound. I am ready for all of you!

Lorna wrote about the signs of recognition. I remember the first time I went to a Physical Immortality event in Caracas, Venezuela, 20 years ago. I immediately recognized everyone. It was in my guts, it was deep, quite there, waiting and as I stayed and experienced what was happening, I felt that feeling of freedom, I felt that was my time. I am excited for the life we have, for honoring who I am with everyone else. I can't wait for next week, we are starting on Saturday April 4th at 11:00 am., right in Manhattan....

Waking up to immortality

I can second that Joe. One of the most beautiful and touching things in the world is to experience people waking up to immortality, to be with them as new life rushes in and they start to glimpse a whole new world, full of possibilities they have never even imagined before. I love to see people's faces and bodies take on a new glow as their darkness diminishes. I find myself watching new people, giving to them, searching them for signs of excitement, of recognition, of willingness. Are they going to open up? It is exciting. A light appears in their eyes, you can see the thoughts and questions rushing around in their brains, new connections being made, doubts and barriers melting away as the warmth and honesty of immortal bodies begins to penetrate the armor. I feel them as they are being stirred and challenged by sounds that they have never heard before. The realness has a way of demanding movement of some kind, either towards us or away from us. Not everyone likes that of course - some run away to keep their belief systems intact - but for me there is an unmistakeable rush when a person feels the invitation to wake up and responds with joy and recognition. I am lit up when I hear them say they have felt this way all their lives, or when I see the smiles reach their eyes as they start to laugh with surprise and wonder. Everyone that responds to their immortality is unique and touches me in a way I have never been touched before. I love them instantly, I do not have to get to know them. A new part of me comes alive. I feel happier, richer, freer. I have a new person in my life forever - I will never be the same again.

Now I wish I were going to New York too. I resolve to make more money so I can go in the future. I must never forget that hunger to find more people like us. I must move everything out of my way now to find more of my kind, just like I did when I first heard the sound. I felt an undeniable biological urge to clear everything out of my way until I could be with my people again, this time never to leave. After all the traveling and searching, my journey was over. I was home. My life could begin new. I remember distinctly what it felt like the first time I came face to face with my destiny and discovered that it was literally faces, the beautiful faces of the immortal people who said they would never leave me, and in my heart I knew it was true. For me it was an unexpected and powerful wake-up. I thought I would find more wisdom, maybe myself in a deeper way, but I never dreamed that what I was looking for was people. I didn't like people much. Who knew? Immortals are different - what can I say, a new species, more wonderful than you can imagine. I feel sad for people who haven't come face to face yet. If anyone out there is reading this, I can only stir you to give yourself the chance to find out what I am talking about. I wish that for everyone in the world.

Big event in NYC

I'm excited about our upcoming event in New York City on April 4th and 5th. It will be great to see some familiar faces there but also to meet new people who are interested in our life. It's a really unique feeling to travel somewhere for the purpose of participating in an event on immortality. It sort of strips you of all the other things you do and are in your life and causes you to stand for being immortal and nothing else. It's not work and it's not vacation. It really makes me confront who I am in a different way.

This year the theme is Get Real about Your Immortality. Our asumption is that everyone relies on some concept of immortality to maintain their sanity. The only difference is that we couldn't simply live with an abstract story of immortality, we needed the real thing. We are looking for other people who feel this way. That's what this event is all about. There's nothing more exciting than seeing someone literally wake up out of death. It's incredible for them and for us.

Why be together?

People who don't want to live forever are basically saying that at some point - and they don't take responsibility for when - not only are they going to leave you but they WANT to leave you (because if they accept death as inevitable, then no matter how much they may pursue longevity or good health, they're choosing to die rather than do whatever is necessary to live). And I can pretty much guarantee that whether they're consciously aware of it or not, they'll want you to die too. Now, why would I want to become attached to someone when I know they want to leave me and want me to die? If I said to you, "I'm going to be with you totally and exclusively for two weeks and then I'm going to leave you", how intimate do you think you'd be willing to be with me for those two weeks? How about if I said, " . . . for four years . . .". or, " . . . for ten years . . ."? Why would it be any different if I said, "I'm going to be with you totally and exclusively for the rest of my life and then I'm going to die"? How can you really feel free to give your all to someone under any circumstance where there's a clear end in sight? This is the illusion of love and relationships. That because two people love each other, that that love is going to make everything else worthwhile. We delude ourselves into believing that the fact that we're going to leave each other is less important than the fact that we're with each other right now. How little we think of ourselves, how little we think of each other, when a few moments or even years of possible happiness take precedence over each other's lives.

Having lived the last twenty years interacting with immortal people whose priority is me and them living forever, without limitations, my criteria for being with someone in an intimate, sexual living are completely different. Physical attraction is still a factor, but unless there's a committment to the expansion of our aliveness and intimacy together, a passion for a greater living, not just for ourselves but for others, and an opening to more and more people in our lives, then our intimacy is limited, our togetherness has an end, and physical attraction is irrelevant.

For me, the whole point of being with someone is to have something greater moment by moment with each other than you would have if you weren't together. That to me is real intimacy. And if you have that then there'd be no reason not to be together, there'd be no reason to stop loving each other and there'd be no reason to want it to end. This doesn't necessarily mean that you ever have to sleep together or have sex with each other, or that if you did enter into such an intimacy together that it would continue, but if you're having "something greater moment by moment with each other" why wouldn't it? What it does mean though is that you'd never have to be without each other. That's what I call commitment. And that's where I find true joy is.

Why wouldn't I want that with the people I love - not for just a few years, but forever? That's the quality of togetherness I have with my 'friends' and that's the quality of togetherness I require in a sexual relationship.

Stand In Love

Well I am growing, learning, and experiencing what BEING an Immortal Person means all the time, and I recently fell in love. I mean that literally “I fell in love.” Today I can say that “I stand in love” never to fall again. I feel there is a huge difference in being Physically Immortal and being Mortal. When you have the wake up to be Physically Immortal you must realize that every thing that happens to you is a choice. You are fully responsible for every thing you do. You are in the drivers seat, not the passenger seat. You are in the game, not in the stands in the bleachers. There is no more victim, no more blaming outside circumstances. What would be the point of that? To actually own who and what I say I am has been established.

I feel that my physical body will never grow old, will never come down with a life threatening disease, and I will never be buried 6 feet under. So do I think I will be able to create a person in my life that will truly walk with me, build me, stand for me, and yes not FALL a victim to a chemical reaction that happens in the brain connected with falling in love? OK, don’t get me wrong, my life is built on love, but that’s not all. To have the passion and to know the difference when something is making my life better is a simple question I ask myself all the time. To invite someone into my life that is going to make it better is all I have room for. I already live an extraordinary life and I only need people coming into it who are only going to expand the greatness.

Like I said “STANDING IN LOVE!” I stand for myself and for people to be all they are, not fall for all the bullshit that can trick and confuse. Love is great but when it puts a muzzle over your mouth (well unless your into that kind of kinky shit, ha ha :) when it comes to truly speaking up for yourself and the injustice that can happen in your own backyard, you are just propagating the suppression and disease that will be created in your body and will ultimately be the end of you. Facing all the things that suppress me and ending all things that stop me from being a truly alive person is who I am and I will never have an intimate partner in my life that does not feel the same way. I have more to say but that’s all for now. =)

Matthew

No more till death us do part

Imagine a world where love means having people who will never leave you. No more till death do us part. People who live their lives today as if there was no end to them or their loved ones. No planning for sickness or a rainy day. No limited retirement plan, no graveyard plot, no inheritance. When your health plan truly means improving your health and wellness through moment to moment good eating, exercise and supplement choices. Where your prosperity is a freedom of movement without stress. Where your daily intimate living is without tension; free from fighting or long periods of hurt silence. Where sex is a sharing and exploration of two bodies flowing together in a union of passion and pleasure for their mutual fulfillment. Where you are not so tied up in your own gods or addictions that you actually notice and act on anothers' distress with empathy and caring before it becomes dis-ease.

This is my world. This is physical immortality and it is happening in Scottsdale, Arizona today.

Where are you today? Trapped in a relationship, marriage or family full of stress and worry? It does not matter, marriage or relationship, its all a very small box. Till death us do part is just another exit, just another separation, just another way out. If you are in a bad relationship, are you going to die to get out of it? That's why one in two marriages end in divorce. Why are you with your partner? For security, for sex, or because of the kids. What could tear you apart? This economy, infidelity, work, losing your home or death. Its all separation.

Living in the same house does not mean that we are are together. Watch where your mind goes. Watch the fantasies you create. Are you always dreaming of the perfect partner, the perfect job, the perfect sex, the perfect meal, the perfect high or the perfect heaven? That thing you think about but rarely share - that's your god. Your secret friend. That thing that separates you from true intimacy with another human being. That thing that actually stops you having what you want. That thing that keeps you limited. There's a way out of that hell. Yes it is possible.

There is a body of people who move from a new paradigm, from a whole new space. A body of people who are so nourished by each other that it is easy for them to show you the true acceptance you deserve. Have you ever really felt accepted? Have you even had one person who truly wants you to live. To live unlimited forever. Who can say and mean that they will never leave you. Yes it will change your life. Yes you may not recognize yourself. But in your gut you will know you are home. There will be a rest in your flesh, in your nervous system, like you have never known. Then you will end the "men are from Mars -women are from Venus" mysteries of relationships because you will truly see human beings as individuals; unique but the same. You will end the violence in your own nature. Opening to your own physical immortality is the only way to truly be with another.

Melanie

Forget what you were told and shown as a child on what love is. It is about as truthful as a Grimm's Fairytale. And in reality, your family most likely never looked or acted like the perfect sitcom family. The ideal of the perfect marriage and family is just more of the death oriented propaganda. And the sad reality is, that this is what we are programed to strive for, but in the end it costs you.

It costs you who you are. It costs you who you want to be. You compromise and suppress yourself for that ideal love and family. Everyday losing just another bit of your true self. Getting you to the point where you have hidden or given so much of the real you away, that one day you don't even recognize yourself anymore.

But it doesn't have to be that way. Being physically immortal means you do not have to sacrifice yourself. There is no more suppression of who you are. You are loved and cherished just by being the person that you are. Where fear and societal politeness don't have to stop you from speaking from your gut. Leave the old you behind and start a new. Today is a new day.

Leann

Free from Relationships

Why do we need to free ourselves from relationships, any kind of relationship? Because they keep us locked in a prison, because they feed our ancestral fears and keep us set in a certain box where we can't move freely. A physical immortal person needs to move in total freedom. Once you have experienced being such a loved person and, at the same time, that love has nothing to do with physically living forever, then you must break the ties, then you must shift and move to a different reality, one that can nourish you, one that can see you for who you are. In a relationship, we don’t see each other for who we really are but for what we expect or desire. In a relationship, we carry the burden of the other, we constantly measure our doing expecting a reward, struggling to be loved and therefore, survive. There is a new togetherness to be experienced. We can be together, really together when we allow the other to move totally free, when we cherish their opening and their movement. The real freedom is the freedom from death.

There is a new intimacy that goes beyond sexual relations. This intimacy nurtures the body and soul causing a feeling of expansion and greatness. It is inclusive,inviting, invigorating and produces true closeness among human beings. A new sensitivity is required to experience an immortal intimacy. It is necessary to have a genuine need to break self-limitation and the barriers between each other. When I woke up to being physically immortal, I hungered for this intimacy. I find it safe to expose my emotions, my true desires, imperfections and weaknesses, magnifying who I really am - a person living free from death. I have found that with other immortals I can be vulnerable because the answer in any situation is encouragement.

Human beings have a choice. Now they have the opportunity to discover how vast they can be when they decide to live outside of what has been established. Breaking old ways of intimacy or familiarity, and embracing the reality of ending death for themselves, together with other immortals.

Rosy

The randomness Joe talks about is because male and female egos trapped in their biological urges are essentially moving unconsciously, asleep to any higher purpose, driven only by their own self-centered needs. They become dangerous to themselves and others. What starts off as an exciting journey into love and sexuality can so quickly burn out and turn into pain. The arena of love with all the games that inevitably go with it, seduction, jealousy, control and rejection, ultimately leaves most people wondering if they have the energy to go yet one more round in the ring looking for their soul-mate. As each round takes its toll on the freshness and optimism of the beautiful human beings that embark on this journey, cynicism and heartbreak start to show their cumulative effects on the body. Many people fall victim to divorce, sickness and loneliness, suggesting that the illusion of "happily-ever-after" only belongs in the stories we continue to pollute our children with generation after generation! Even for those who stay together for 50 years, what do they really have to look forward to other than a mundane existence of work, children, grandchildren, getting old, sick and dying?

Some would say I'm just a cynic, maybe the victim of a bad love affair myself. Absolutely I have experienced my share of heartbreak, along with everyone else I know. As immortals, we have lived through all the experiences this world had to offer us before we woke up to a new life. However, when we find each other and start living immortality together, we discover that we can learn from our mistakes and those of others and make different choices. It really is possible to wake up and live beyond biological urges and become truly human! Our world becomes bigger, we are no longer just a world of one. We expand beyond the boundaries of relationship and family and discover in-depth connections with unlimited numbers of people that all become important to us. That really takes the pressure off needing everything to be fulfilled by a love-partner.

Being immortals, our needs change and give way to the greater need to be really alive. We take charge of our choices and and take the randomness out of the equation, as Joe says. One of the most enriching experiences you can have is to care for someone so much that it is more important to you that they are alive and healthy than it is for them to be in an intimate relationship with you. That is a leap into a new world, and a new freedom for you and the other person. There actually is a life to experience without loss or control, where loving becomes a joyous and building experience. When we do as Joe suggests and choose intimate partners who are like us, then our ultimate bond together is living immortality, and whether or not we choose to stay together in a relationship, we can continue to deepen our intimacy and connection forever.

Lorna

The Randomness of Love

Many people hold love as the highest value and the highest experience they can have. Love can be great, but a lot depends on who is doing the loving and why. That's because love is often hopelessly bound up with the evolutionary urge to procreate. And from that standpoint, it's utterly random. The species as a whole really doesn't care if your life partner nurtures you, spurs you on to greater boldness of living or freedom of thought. The species as a whole just wants you to reproduce. So unless you're really sharp about your life, it's extremely easy to find yourself in bed with someone who is, or will become, the single greatest limiting factor in your life.

As immortals, we are awakening out of the randmoness of evolution. We are not here to procreate the species, or similarly, to perpetuate the family. We are here to live ourselves and overturn that old order, under which human life really doesn't count for a whole hell of a lot, except as a means to produce more human beings, who will in turn disappear into the void of death themselves. Love, uninformed by higher human intelligence, plays a central role in this endless death cycle.

We are here to love and to love deeply, but to do so with a higher purpose than simply family and procreation. This frees us from the narrow agenda of evolution and of the male and female egos born out of this agenda. For this reason, we have to go into relationships with eyes wide open, speak everything we feel, and be willing to go to depths together that break through the programming of mundane living. We are not random creatures. We are filled with purpose and with passion. We have to chose intimate partners who are like us. It's really just that simple.